A little request

[soc_puppet]

So hey! I could use some help putting this together.






I've still got thirteen four spaces left to fill on it :/ I don't get out of my nice feminist fandom space very often, either, so I'm not that familiar with the usual arguments. Any suggestions? I'm sure there's some nice ones about homophobia out there.

Starting card two; nineteen spaces left. I'll fill it up with repeats if I don't get enough.

Edit: Updated card!

Edit 2: If I run out of space on this card, I'm up to making a second, so no need to hold back :3b

Concrit in general is also A+

Edit 3: Card one complete! Starting card two...

Edit 4: It has been pointed out to me that some of the squares include what could be legitimate complaints. I'll be editing those, and possibly others, to better reflect the intended theme, and will upload a new Card One with the next version of Card Two. Please point out any you think are problematic, especially if I miss them on the first edit.

Edit 5: Okay, let's give this another shot! Six spots left on Card Two, though I'm ready to fill them up with repeats if I don't get enough significantly different responses.

Edit 6: Final draft of Card Two for tonight! All the squares are filled in, but I had to pull a number of those out of my ass, so I'm definitely still taking both concrit and suggestions. I just won't be doing any more editing until tomorrow.

G'night -_-b

Edit 7: 7/2/2013: Slightly altered versions, versions that say "slash" instead of "yaoi", and higher quality versions for print are now all available here.

Comments

[inarticulate]

I don't like yuri/lesbian characters because that's just fanservice for men, as seen in the recent K/S shipperwank?

[soc_puppet]

*slips that in at G1* What shipperwank is this? :O

[meigui]

I hear "She's obviously such a Mary-Sue" a lot.

[soc_puppet]

Forgot all about Mary-Sue accusations X3

[inarticulate]

…Okay, now I'm starting to see a lot of squares where… I mean, they're often used as excuses for misogyny! But they definitely aren't indicative of misogyny, and it's starting to make me very uncomfortable. Especially the ones that pin the blame on the series, because there are a lot of series where female characters are handled badly or there… aren't a lot of them as compared to the boys. The inherent misogyny in that case wouldn't necessarily be on the fans for calling the source material out on that, you know?

[soc_puppet]

That is an excellent point >_< I'll have to work on either getting those out of there, or re-writing them so they fit the "theme".

[asrimal.livejournal.com]

"But it's obvious that she doesn't care about him."

[soc_puppet]

Ooo, I could probably even pull an extra one out of that by flipping it and changing the wording :D

[sleepfighter.livejournal.com]

"I just wish she'd go way so they can be together."

"None of these girls are like me."

When you're done, can I gank this with credit? I'm tempted to hand them out at the pannel at Yaoicon.

[soc_puppet]

Awesome, thanks ♥ *picks out spots*

Absolutely!

[sapphire-hime.livejournal.com]

I love the "She's fine on her own" box. So much.

[soc_puppet]

XD It's paraphrased from an actual fanfic review. Cut it off at the comma and splice in "But she's getting in the way of their love!" and you'll have it almost word-for-word.

[woodburner.livejournal.com]

Dreamwidth isn't loading for some reason. D: Anyway, was going to ask, do you want me to post a link on my journal to get you more suggestions? Although you might end up with too many, then... 8D;;

[soc_puppet]

Hmm, how odd. XD I guess I could always make two...? Or it could be Bingoooo instead or something.

[lectawindwalker.livejournal.com]

How about something along the "She's rooting for yaoi anyway"?
and "She doesn't even like him, unless she prefers punches to kisses."

[soc_puppet]

Ooo, I can use those...

[the-sun-is-up.livejournal.com]

Here via woodburner's lj, I also reccommend:

"She's such a Mary-Sue!"

and possibly

"I ship yaoi to support the gay rights movement!"

and also

"I'm not misogynist - it's just that the writers wrote her character really badly!"

[soc_puppet]

That gay rights one takes the cake XD

Time to start that second card up...

[violetsquirrel.livejournal.com]

Maybe something like "I'm a straight girl so of course I'm going to like writing two guys having sex more" only better worded?

[soc_puppet]

I think I can pull two out of that one :3 "Eww, girl parts!"

[illianaka.livejournal.com]

Directed here from woodburner.

What about something along the lines of, "She's a whore and he deserves better"?

And/or "There aren't enough females in this series anyway."

[soc_puppet]

I went with, "Some other guy kissed her; she's obviously such a slut."

Think you could elaborate on that second one for me? 'Fraid it just hasn't clicked for me yet ^^a

[havocthecat]

Shorten/edit as you will: "She's not the kind of character who wants to be in a relationship anyway."

Is there "She deserves to be more than just somebody's girlfriend" on there yet? I didn't see it, but I might have missed it.

BRILLIANT POST. OMG. Found from [Bad username or site: @ livejournal.com].

[soc_puppet]

Didn't have either of those, thanks :)

Jiminy Cricket, I've been noticed on the internet! *cautiously basks in tiny glow of not-fame*

[sarajayechan.livejournal.com]

"She's totally antifeminist with the way she clings onto him!"

"Het is nothing but cliche Mary Sue fluff!"

"Only men are good enough for other men!"

"Women who act like women, i.e. her, are always bitches."

"She isn't pretty enough for him."

"OMG he kissed her in canon I'm gonna barf! DAMN YOU WRITERS!"

[havocthecat]

"Het is nothing but cliche Mary Sue fluff!"

Really? I usually hear that het is nothing but cliche romance novel fluff instead. *gags*

Also! "I slash because it subverts heteronormative gender roles; het is too entrenched in gender-based power dynamics."

Or: "Slash is just more well-written."

Yes, I edited to fix a homonym. I'm that anal-retentive. ;0

[seriousfic.livejournal.com]

What about some variation on "yaoi is better because it's about equals, and men and women can never be equal"?

[soc_puppet]

Thanks; I'm re-working it some to get it closer to what I want, but the sentiment is pretty much perfect.

[paperclipchains.livejournal.com]

How did "She's such a stupid skank" not make it here?

[soc_puppet]

Well, it's on there now ;)

[artillie.livejournal.com]

Via meganbmoore, just so you know.

"She's too good for him" is my favorite.

[soc_puppet]

X3 That one is rather nice.

[lesbiassparrow.livejournal.com]

Here via meganbmoore

How about "they only wrote her to spite slashers/me/all fandom"?

Or (one I swear I read ages ago) "her breasts will just get in the way." No, I have no idea why this would be automatic death to a relationship. Or what sizes breasts they were imagining.

[soc_puppet]

Well, I got something up there like that, at any rate.

Wut. How does that even. Huh?!

[usagi-no-hime.livejournal.com]

Via meganbmoore

How about this one...

"ALL GIRL CHARACTERS SUCK ANYWAYS!" That is an argument I hear often.

Crap I think you got all the good arguments already.

[soc_puppet]

Looks like it, at any rate. I'll be relieved if it really is, too; I don't want to think that there's actually almost fifty excuses like this out there =_=

[woodburner.livejournal.com]

Oh, oh, one I heard recently! "Girls are only in this series to maintain the illusion of heteronormativity, anyway; it's really all about the buttsex."

Or do we already have that one in one wording or another...

[soc_puppet]

We kinda have that in B2 (card two)? But I can mix and match the two of 'em, get one new one out of 'em :3

[quaedam.livejournal.com]

Here via woodburner. :)

Ah, "I don't care if a guy is weak and fragile, I just don't like weak women". Often found among fans of yaoi series that are exactly the same as the most awful misogynistic dubious-to-no-consent-played-as-romance shoujo ever written--except, of course, that the part of the woman is now played by male shotabait (HE'S 22 YEARS OLD, NO REALLY). And it would rearrange the laws of the universe if said shotabait ever took the penetrative/enveloped role during sex.

And I don't know if it's different enough from what you already have, but how about "I'm a straight woman, so it's just natural for me to be physically disgusted by the sight of breasts and vagina". Often known as the EW, TITS comments on 4chan /y/ and /cm/. And maybe we could include here any and all use of the word "vagoo", and FOR CHRIST'S SAKE, WOMEN POSTING ON 4CHAN, STOP REFERRING TO YOURSELVES AS 'CUMDUMPSTERS', IT'S NOT "IRONIC", YOU DON'T KNOW THE MEANING OF "IRONIC".

Also, "But this character is obviously gay, just look how girly he is!" may or may not exactly fall under the topic of the card, but I think it counts.

[soc_puppet]

So true. Especially the lack of switching. I can think of only two BL stories off the top of my head where there's switching, and one of them is horribly non-con. And I have read a great deal of BL >_<

I think that's covered by "Eww, girl parts!" in B5 (card two), but I'll take a twist on your last one and put you down for, "He makes a better girl than she does."

[alias_sqbr]

Something which is really cool in a bingo card if you can swing it is having adjacent squares contradicting each other, eg:

I don't like yuri : I ship yaoi to support the gay rights movement : I'm a straight girl, so of course girls are less interesting

She's just not good enough for him : She's just too good for him

I hold female characters to high standards: She's a Mary sue: She's too boring

Girl parts are gross/only men are good enough for other men: She's totally antifeminist the way she clings to him: any of the "I don't like female characters" ones: There just aren't enough female characters!

[soc_puppet]

Highly tempting, that; I'm starting to get a bit worn down, though, so I think I'll leave that to someone else.

Obviously, one should never underestimate the ability of a Misogynist Yaoi Fangirl to self-contradict.

[zidane.livejournal.com]

. . . Oh I am loving this. I MISSED OUT ON THE SUGGESTION FEST but I'm glad I came back to the tab and refreshed.

[soc_puppet]

^__^ It was exhausting, but I'm glad it turned out well.

CONCRIT THREAD

[soc_puppet]

The purpose of this thread is to invite you to express any criticisms you may have with particular squares of the MYF Bingo Cards, or with the cards themselves. While I'm definitely interested in eliminating (or appropriately changing) any squares that are not inherently misogynist (etc), I can have some trouble recognizing them on my own /)_(\

Any criticism made in reply here is potentially constructive.

[krait]

The very first square throws me off, because... that's not actually a misogynist statement? One can dislike a character solely for her character. (I can't stand Relena in the Gundam Wing series, still, and it's not because I want to pair off Heero with a guy! And I really love two of the other female characters, and wish they'd had more screen time. Or even fanfic-screentime. Noin and Hilde rock. For that matter, I like Relena fine in the OVA, it's just series!Relena whom I find hard to bear.)

Maybe the bingo card could clarify that this is being applied to multiple female characters, i.e. that, in spite of the protest, gender is the only factor in common for "disliked" characters? ---> "I don't hate women, I just don't like any of the women in this show" or "I don't hate women, I just can't stand (any of) the female characters" ?

Other than that, welp. I'm having a grand old time sitting here having flashbacks to GW fandom and my early forays into yaoidom! *cringing*

(All I can say for myself is: at least I was mostly in the "BECAUSE IT'S HOT, DUH" camp rather than the "let me explain to you how my subjective preference is the One True Interpretation" camp... *wince*)

[soc_puppet]

Wonderful suggestion for making it clear that it's not just one female character. I think I'll do that at my next opportunity.

[krait]

What about the meta-level version of "She's rooting for yaoi, anyway" -- "the author likes yaoi, so OBVIOUSLY they're meant to be a couple!" / "The author has done a yaoi doujin, so OBVIOUSLY she means them to get together!"

(Because, y'know, authors are only allowed to write in one genre, ever, as long as it's the one YOU like. Her thirteen other het-or-gen works don't count when it's Teh Yaoiz at stake! You, the True Fan, can read her mind and definitively answer for the author's intent.)

This might be what the "subtext" square was aiming at, but I couldn't be sure, so I figured I'd throw it in. :D