Brain: Wait, I have more details on, like, EVERYTHING, we need to get started writing this down!

[soc_puppet]

Me last night: Okay, I need to be up extra early tomorrow because the weather is being obnoxious again and I am overly cautious, so tonight I am actually going to turn out the light at a reasonable hour.

Bedtime: *approaches*

Me: *manages to get the light out shortly after 8pm*
Me: UGH I am so tired, but I made it! I managed it! Hooray!

Brain: Hey.

Me: ...yes?

Brain: You need something to think about while you're falling asleep, right?

Me: ...that is our usual arrangement, yes.

Brain: Cool! *ahem*
Brain: "Facilitators: An exploration of the cultural history and knowledge of Betas and their role in triggering heat and rut cycles"

Me: ...what

Brain: "Contrary to centuries of popular belief, Omega heats and Alpha ruts are neither wholly random, nor entirely cyclical; instead, they are frequently triggered by exposure to Beta pheromones. In this essay I will--"

Me: What

Brain: Oh man, it would be super cool, right? Like, there have been studies done, and when segregated in to groups of only Alphas and Omegas with no Betas, their ruts and heats do turn cyclical but only occur, like, twice a year, whereas in a group mixed with Betas they seem like they happen randomly but are actually triggered whenever A's and O's spend a significant amount of time around a B who finds them sexually attractive (more details to follow).

Brain: And obviously different cultures figured this out at different rates, but the ancient Greeks and Romans were kinda shitheads about stuff, and Europe mostly adopted their ideas during the Renaissance, and then European colonialism, so.

Brain: Oooo, and then we can talk about the interplay of gender and sexuality in a society with six primary sexes! (Also intersex people, because we are absolutely not going to forget them. They will henceforth be known as Deltas, because yes.) And the dynamics of being trans and dysphoria are completely different, though I'm going to point-blank decide that hormone therapy in this universe is very effective and super easy to acquire and take, and also pretty well accepted in most places, because the genders are a lot more mixed and better acknowledged than they are here.

Brain: Also there are absolutely ace and aro folks whose identities are influenced by heats and ruts. Like, there are people who feel no sexual and/or romantic attraction at all, except when in heat/rut (or spending a partner's heat/run with them), and vice-versa, as well as all the variations we know in our world, including never experiencing sexual and/or romantic attraction.

Brain: ...Are you taking notes? Because this is important.

Me: *whimpers* I just want to sleep!

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(My brain didn't actually get into this much detail until the drive home today, but it was still a helluva thought train to be hit by on the way to catch some Z's.)

Comments

[alexseanchai]

1) goddamn you

2) ML? :D?

[soc_puppet]

1) I haven't even gotten to the stuff like how common threesomes (with one A, B, and O each) are, and general queerness (say, 75% of the population is primarily attracted to one or more of the sexes they can reproduce with, but at least 50% are also attracted to Betas regardless of reproductive compatibility, and there are absolutely people who are only attracted to one AGAB and/or to a single Cyclical gender), or trans identities (AGAB we know, Cyclical is ABO gender and is assigned when someone experiences their first heat/rut or just plain doesn't, and any person can be trans for either or both of those genders), etc etc etc.

2) I was actually thinking more along the lines of a possible fantasy setting, but I reeeeeaaally need to get more details worked out first. (Though I would not object to Marinette/Luka/Adrien where Marinette is an Alpha and the other two are the other two Cyclical genders, and I'm not particularly sure which. Though Brain suggests Alpha!Chloe for rivalry.)

[alexseanchai]

okay what, Watsonianly speaking, do we mean by queerness here? because I suspect we want the sense where sexuality and gender are socially constructed category types and the queer ones are the ones that are counter-normative. consequently it seems important to grasp what, with respect to sexuality and gender and Related, is normative here.

oooooh original fantasy setting also glorious! (Kagami?)

[soc_puppet]

"Straight" in this context = cis on all axises (axies?), perisex, and alloromantic/allosexually attracted to all genders you can reproduce with.

So a cis perisex Alpha woman who is allo-attracted to men and Omegas would be straight, whereas a cis perisex Alpha woman who is allo-attracted to men of all Cyclical genders but not Omega women would be a flavor of queer. ...And that feels a little weird to type, so I can't imagine how it is to read.

(Possibly attraction to all Beta genders would also fall under Straight, especially since in this universe Beta hormones promote fertility, but also possibly not because Society and Weird Sexual Hangups. More thought required.) (Basically, Beta hormones act kinda like a sexual catalyst? I think that's about right.)

(Also, perisex = not intersex, if you haven't come across that term before.)


Again, lots to work out still, no idea what sort of story I would be telling anyway, but that's where I'd want to start, and if I or someone else happened to write a ML AU of it, that would be A+ Fine And Dandy by me. (Kagami would also work in that sandwich instead of Luka, yes. Or in addition, if we're going there. ...Alpha!Marinette and Alpha!Chloe double-teaming Beta(?)Adrien would also be kinda hot, now that I'm thinking about it.)

[alexseanchai]

sweet. :)

(axes)

[soc_puppet]

Phew, I'm glad that made sense :P

(See, I thought that might have been it, but then I thought it also looked too much like the plural of ax, so I overthought myself.)

[alexseanchai]

(I mean that too. and "axises" is technically incorrect but it's not like it's introducing ambiguity, so.)

[soc_puppet]

(Okay, that makes sense.)

[soc_puppet]

Crap, I need better shorthand for Gender Assigned At Birth; I can't go with "assigned gender", since Cyclical gender is also assigned, and I am absolutely not going to go with "birth gender", because it has too much baggage in this world.

Considered so far, but highly unlikely:
* Early Gender and Late Gender (could be confusing with transitioning from genders; also, I have difficulty picturing anyone saying their early gender is female or male, cis and trans alike.)
* First Gender and Second Gender (it sounds like I'm ranking them, which is Weird and Unnecessary)
* Static/Stable Gender and Cyclical Gender (for some folks, one or both of these genders is fluid; otherwise, though, the genders stay the same, making this Also Confusing)

Something to compliment "cyclical" would be best. Solar for AGAB and Lunar for Cyclical maybe? That could work... I think I may go with that, unless you have any suggestions that might work better?

[alexseanchai]

maybe don't call them both gender? like here it's "alignment"? I like solar/lunar though :)

tell me what you want so we can do just what you like (4191 words) by clairelutra, a_miiraculer
Chapters: 1/1
Fandom: Miraculous Ladybug
Rating: Explicit
Warnings: No Archive Warnings Apply
Relationships: Chat Noir/Ladybug
Characters: Ladybug, Chat Noir
Additional Tags: Alpha/Beta/Omega Dynamics, Alpha/Omega, omega!ladybug, alpha!chat, aka playing with tropes is fun, Mating Cycles/In Heat, consent kink?, meaning chat values ladybug's and ladybug really appreciates that, Resolved Sexual Tension, Unresolved Romantic Tension
Summary:

He was an alpha. She was an omega. He followed her without question.

Two plus two was equaling seven and she didn’t know where her math had gone wrong.

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Ladybug's heat hits at an inconvenient time and Chat is there to suffer help them both live through it.

[soc_puppet]

They're definitely both gender, but they affect people in different ways and I want to be able to talk about them in different ways without too much confusion. So here it would be solar gender/lunar gender.

For example, since someone can be trans in one, both, or neither gender, it would be helpful (in community and for getting assistance) to differentiate: "I'm cis-lunar but trans-solar" or whatever.

(I may have ...problems with ABO universes that pretend that any dynamics based on AGAB wouldn't exist, especially while still using only he/she pronouns based on AGAB.)

[alexseanchai]

yeah, that makes sense :)

[soc_puppet]

Cool, I think I'll probably go with Solar/Lunar, then.

[shy_magpie]

feels almost mean to ask for more on this when its your brain misbehaving...

[soc_puppet]

No worries, more was always part of the plan :) I just didn't want the urge to try and figure everything out and write it all down when I was trying to get extra sleep for an extra early morning ^^a And if I didn't write it down, there was always the risk of forgetting it over night >_>...

So I mostly concentrated on remembering the important part ("Betas facilitate Alpha ruts and Omega heats by being attracted to them, and Beta pheromones can make heats/ruts feel better and also make the participants more fertile") and trying not to get sucked into figuring out the rest while it was time to sleep, goddaammit. I've got the day off now, though, and plenty of time to think it through and elaborate on stuff :3b